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Date formatting

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???<br>There's probably a way to do this that I just haven't found yet - &nbsp;I'd like to set up a standard date format that is not in the available list.. how can I add a new date format ?<br>Thanks
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The only way is to modify the default Windows Date & Time formats.<br><br>For this go to the "Start &#124; Settings...", "Control Panel". Double-click "Regional Settings". Modify information at the "Time" and "Date" tabs.
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I tried this. &nbsp;I want a "MM-DD-YY" format. &nbsp;All I can get is a "DD-MM-YY" format in Atlantis, even with whatever tweaks I make in the regional settings.<br><br>Thanks much.
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Atlantis offers multiple date & time formats that depend on the Windows Regional settings. Only one of them is linked to the “Shift+Alt+D” hot key or a corresponding toolbar button.<br><br>Go to the “Insert &#124; Date & Time…” to choose the desired Atlantis date/time format that should be used by the “Shift+Alt+D”.
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You also might have to restart Atlantis to make the new Windows regional settings take effect.
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Okay, I want today, February 15, 2002, to show up in the date format "mm-dd-yy", or 02-15-02. &nbsp;The only one I can find in Atlantis is "dd-mm-yy", or 15-02-02.<br><br>My regional settings for Short Date (winXP), are set to "MM-dd-yyyy", with a "-" character as separator. &nbsp;That gives me 02-15-2002 in Windows.<br><br>In Atlantis, I find options for 15-02-02 and 02-15-2002 02:55 PM, but nothing that allows me to do 02-15-02.<br><br>I hope this helps to clarify.<br><br>Is there an ini file or registry setting I could edit, to add in the desired format myself?<br><br>Thanks.
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Windows allows to specify two date formats through the Regional Settings: the so called "Short date" and "Long date". Atlantis offers both these formats through the "Insert &#124; Date & Time..." command. Any change to the Windows "Short date" or "Long date" affects the Atlantis date & time formats.<br><br>Please check what are your Windows "Short date" and "Long date" formats. They should be offered by Atlantis too.<br>Please try to modify the Windows "Long date".
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Okay, this is directly cut and pasted from my regional settings:<br><br>Short date format: MM-dd-yyyy,<br>Short date sample: 02-16-2002<br>Nearest Atlantis equivalent: 16-02-2002<br><br>Long date format: dddd, MMMM dd, yyyy<br>Long date sample: Saturday, February 16, 2002<br>Nearest Atlantis equivalent: Saturday, February 16, 2002<br><br>Therefore, it appears that though my copy of Atlantis is correctly showing the Windows long date, it is transposing the month and day of the short date.
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Anything more on this issue?
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More information:<br>I'm using version 1.1.0.0, on Windows XP Pro.<br><br>I modified the Windows short date to MM-dd-yy, showing 03-22-02 in Windows. &nbsp;Atlantis showed me 22-03-02.<br><br>I modified the Windows short date to dd-MM-yy, showing 22-03-02 in Windows. &nbsp;Atlantis showed me 22-03-02.<br><br>I then modified the Windows long date to MM-dd-yy, showing 03-22-02 in Windows. &nbsp;Atlantis showed me 22-03-02.<br><br>I modified the Windows long date to dd-MM-yy, showing 22-03-02 in Windows. &nbsp;Atlantis showed me 22-03-02.<br><br>I couldn't see where the available selections in Atlantis were changing at all. &nbsp;I was restarting Atlantis after each system change.<br><br>Please, could I just have the option to define my own custom format in Atlantis? &nbsp;I'll stop bugging you if I get it.
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Atlantis offers 24 date formats. Just choose the desired one through the Insert &#124; Date & Time....
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No, you are absolutely not getting what I am asking.<br>I know what date format I want, and it's a really common one. &nbsp;Everyone I know here uses MM-DD-YY. &nbsp;Atlantis does not offer it, and I can't tweak the Windows settings to make it give it to me. &nbsp;All those 24 date settings are useless to me if I can't make any of them show the one that I and all my co-workers and associates use.<br><br>All I want is to be able to define my own format. &nbsp;It would probably be easier in the long run. &nbsp;Hell, program in a kludge, and I'll test it for you, I do that for a living anyway.
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Regrettably custom date formats should not be expected in the nearest future.
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Thank you much.<br><br>Is there an unauthorized registry tweak somewhere that I could use to do this?
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No. The date templates are contained by the main executable of Atlantis.<br><br>Anyway you could modify the Long Date format of Windows. Atlantis offers the Long Date of Windows among its date formats.
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admin wrote:<br>Anyway you could modify the Long Date format of Windows. Atlantis offers the Long Date of Windows among its date formats.<br>
<br><br>Look at my last few posts. &nbsp;This is EXACTLY what I was telling you that I could not do, and I provided very clear step by step details on what I had tried.
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The 5th date format from the drop-down menu of the Insert date toolbar button contains exactly the Long Date format.
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I agree with this complaint. I would like to use MM-DD YY also. It looks like atlantis could provide that!
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admin wrote: The 5th date format from the drop-down menu of the Insert date toolbar button contains exactly the Long Date format.
Reading the postsfrom the other users, it seems that there may be a small glitch in Atlantis. If it is only offering dd-mm, and never mm-dd, that is a problem for users who live where mm-dd is the standard. Maybe those who are having this difficulty might consider taking screenshotys to make the point clear visually, since there appears to be a communication problem in this thread.
One approach that may be worthy of consideration by the developersis that used by WordPerfect. It sets its own date format options based on the default language coding. So, a default setting of US English makes all dates mm-dd, a setting of UK English akes them dd-mm.
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Things are much simpler. Atlantis offers the so called Long Date Format, the Short Time Format, and the Long Time Format from the Regional Settings of Windows (Start, Settings…| Control Panel) but never offers the Short Date Format.

The next build of Atlantis (1.1.2.4) will offer the Short Date Format.
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BUG in long date format (Czech)

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oooooooh one more))))))

in czech language, when saying something like 30 december
you have to use slight different gramatical ... simply the name of the month is not in nominative

woindows reflects its ok.... u can see in windows dialog 30 prosinCE

but Atlantis uses nominative 30 prosinEC

which is gramatically incorect
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Regrettably Atlantis knows nothing about the specifics of the Czech grammar.
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czech grammar

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atlantis does not but windows do... it is only matter of grabbing the right string from the OS, nothing more. It does not grab long date format from windows now as it is, but it surely can if repaired (many aplications do)
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the proof

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http://ao.kyknos.org/show/dategrammar.png

on the image, there is a screenshot under czech windows 2000
look to the right, there is windows control panel with date settings,
in czech, but all things are probably on the same places as in english version

you can see LONG DATE FORMAT as shown in Windows itself down there
- dlouhy format data -
(there is written december = prosinCE, not in nominative, gramatically correct)

but in the left, in Atlantis, you can see prosinEC, in nominative, gramatically incorect in this place

windows surely knows both versions and uses them in corect places. however atlantis does not grab windows long date string directly,
but from somewhere inside the OS grabs nominative form of month name
and formats it according to long date format... the result is this error

Image

could it be repaired so it grabs long date format as in windows itself?
or is it posiible to add an option of date format definition ïnside Atlantis? with custom month names included?
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Re: Date formatting

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admin wrote: The 5th date format from the drop-down menu of the Insert date toolbar button contains exactly the Long Date format.
in my previous message there is a prof that this sentence is simply not true
on the 5th, nor 6th (newer version of AOM has probably added some extra formats) nor anywhere else is exactly the Long Date Format

(((

may be, in english systems, by mere coincidence is
but generally, this is simply not true

i am sorry i do not want to find errors every day, but i simply do it because i love atlantis, use atlantis and want it to be better and better )))
hope u understand
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I understand your explanations but in this case the present version of Atlantis works as it is supposed (designed) to work. It does not support a so deep level of grammar analysis for international date/times.
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ugh... in this thread admins just to not understand

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there is NO need for ANY analysis

just grab windows long date format and use it

simply, directly ...and correctly
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Re: Date formatting

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This is the only place I could find to post the following: one can choose a default date format for Alt-Shift-D without going to Control Panel Regional Settings. Go to Insert > Date and Time and click on that. It opens a menu of many possibilities. Choose the date format you want and then click on the Default Date button. Then click on OK. From then on, the chosen format will be what you get with the Alt-Shift-D hot key.
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