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lois.cpc
Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 1
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:10 am Post subject: Tables
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| | Please, add tables support to Atlantis to make it the market very best word processor. And, please, hurry up![b]
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Francisco
Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 5 Location: São José do Rio Preto - São Paulo - Brasil
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:00 am Post subject:
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| my friend… already lost the hopes!
tables is a dream
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Andremusic
Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 189 Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:36 am Post subject:
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| Nah, don 't lose hope, I am sure there is hard work done behind the screens! No doubt here.  _________________ Keep on Writing!
Atlantis 1.6.4.3 on Acer laptop, Aspire 1804WSMi, Pentium 4, 2 gb ram, Windows 7. iMac G5, Leopard 10.5.7, 2.5 GB ram. iPhone 3G. Coffee machine by Philips...
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Robert
Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 1073
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Tables
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| Hi, André
You are spot on!
Thanks for supporting Atlantis.
Cheers,
Robert
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luha
Joined: 18 Feb 2002 Posts: 77 Location: Oslo, Norway
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject:
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| Yes - tables please! Not that I miss tables, but I am tired of all the people nagging for tables.
mvh
Sigurd Hasle
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Lambert John
Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 23 Location: Dallas, Texas
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject:
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| | Personally, I don't care about tables. I think if it served beer it would be the best word processor out there. Just my thirsty opinion of course.
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maxqnz
Joined: 17 Sep 2002 Posts: 29
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:28 am Post subject:
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| | Andremusic wrote: | | Nah, don 't lose hope, I am sure there is hard work done behind the screens! No doubt here. :lol: |
Honesty and candour from the developers would have gone a long way toward diminishing the bitterness of some Atlantis users woh have been hearing "coming soon" now for 5 years or more. The honourable course of action would have been for the developers to have admitted way back then that tables were right at the bottom of their list of priorities, instead of insinuating that tables were just around the corner, no, we didn't mean this corner, the next, no not this corner, the next, no not this corner, etc. etc. for year after year after year. It's hard to escape the conclusion that the developers fund it easier to "fudge" the truth by holding out illusory hope of imminent tables than to risk losing clients by having the courage to honest.
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admin
Joined: 05 Jun 2002 Posts: 1836
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:15 am Post subject:
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| | Maxqnz, you act as we owe you something. There is no point to mention "failed promises" because we promised you nothing. We NEVER gave you any timetable. NEVER. So you have absolutely no point in accusing us of dishonesty. If you want to blame someone for their lack of honesty and courage, please find another place to do this.
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medion
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 98
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admin
Joined: 05 Jun 2002 Posts: 1836
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:25 am Post subject:
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| It is trivial, but below is a definition for "possibly" from Colins COBUILD Dictionary:
You use possibly to indicate that you are not sure whether something is true or might happen.
When the forum administrator says that something "might happen", it is not the official announcement of the release date.
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Andremusic
Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 189 Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:50 am Post subject:
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| Maxqnz,
as long you are quoting me...
there is a nice other program called Microsoft Office, they have a word processor in it. It's only about $399/$239.
Personally, I don't like Word because it crashed on my pc more then once and it takes a lot of space on my hard drive and resources, but hé, it has tables.
I am happy with Atlantis, it is very cheap ($35), runs fast and is in my opinion very original with his control board and power type options. Why not using another WP in the meantime and wait until Atlantis comes with tables. I rather have a stable version that one that is made in rush and makes me louse my work only because users are keep pressing them to hurry up.
only my own thoughts about it...
André _________________ Keep on Writing!
Atlantis 1.6.4.3 on Acer laptop, Aspire 1804WSMi, Pentium 4, 2 gb ram, Windows 7. iMac G5, Leopard 10.5.7, 2.5 GB ram. iPhone 3G. Coffee machine by Philips...
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admin
Joined: 05 Jun 2002 Posts: 1836
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:36 am Post subject:
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| Suggesting the same feature again and again makes no sense. Such redundant postings are helping nobody. So please avoid requesting features when you are sure that they have been already requested.
As have been already said in the replies made earlier to similar posts requesting support for tables, Atlantis will support tables. Regrettably we cannot tell you any definite date. If you are interested in having tables in Atlantis, the only option is to wait. Please be patient. Requesting tables again and again will change nothing.
We do not have anything to add to the above. Accordingly, we will remove any new forum posting nagging for a table feature in Atlantis Word Processor and accusing us of dishonesty.
We are confident that the great majority of users and supporters of Atlantis Word Processor can bear with us a little longer and enjoy their favorite word processor for what it currently offers, which is a lot, especially if you take a look at the price tag.
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Eduardo
Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 64
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject:
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| Just keep doing your work, Atlantis team. I appreciate your efforts and honesty. Thanks for a great product.
Eduardo
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maxqnz
Joined: 17 Sep 2002 Posts: 29
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:52 am Post subject:
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| | admin wrote: | | Maxqnz, you act as we owe you something. There is no point to mention "failed promises" because we promised you nothing. We NEVER gave you any timetable. NEVER. So you have absolutely no point in accusing us of dishonesty. If you want to blame someone for their lack of honesty and courage, please find another place to do this. |
I made no mention of failed promises, and stand by every word I posted.
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maxqnz
Joined: 17 Sep 2002 Posts: 29
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:58 am Post subject:
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| | Andremusic wrote: | Maxqnz,
as long you are quoting me...
there is a nice other program called Microsoft Office, they have a word processor in it. It's only about $399/$239.
Personally, I don't like Word because it crashed on my pc more then once and it takes a lot of space on my hard drive and resources, but hé, it has tables.
I am happy with Atlantis, it is very cheap ($35),
André |
I like Atlantis too, I use it every day. I also don't have MS Office installed, as I prefer OpenOffice, which is both free and supports two features I need that Atlantis does not offer - tables and Unicode. Atlantis pretends to offer Unicode, but in fact offers only a VERY limited and partial Unicode implementation which is utterly useless for Asian languages.
My post was not about the limitations of the software. It was about the reality that, until very recently, the software's devlopers refused to be candid about the development schedule for tables. When I need tables and Unicode, I use OpenOffice. When I need a "full-featured WordPad", I use Atlantis.
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Francisco
Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 5 Location: São José do Rio Preto - São Paulo - Brasil
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:49 am Post subject:
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| at least could say if they are working on this? I stop to use the Atlantis for needing to work with tables. it would very like to return to the Atlantis but I am disabled had the lack of this resource. I am not alone in this, some friends are in the same situation
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medion
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 98
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:36 am Post subject:
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| | After all that has been said about tables, im sure when they do arive they will be very good indeed.
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keyosuke
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 17
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject:
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| Hi everyone. I've been a fan of Atlantis for a long time, and I was nagging for the tables feature last year, so I know the feelings you have. I somehow didn't realize there were so many other forum threads asking for the same feature when I first became a fan, so I held out hope of getting the feature in a near future. That hope was misplaced. Once I realized there was little reason to think it would be coming in the immediate future, I began to examine alternatives. In this respect, I feel I should state my opinion and some facts below. (perhaps as an FAQ?)
1.)Should I keep asking for tables?
No. It's a waste of time. If you are asking for tables, it's probably because you haven't found the earlier extensive and expansive threads about this very same topic. It's clearly a waste of time to ask for something that isn't ready and won't be ready any sooner for all your complaining.
2.)But if I don't ask for tables on a regular basis, will the programmers of Atlantis forget?
Answer: I doubt it, since it's probably the largest reason people like ourselves choose another word processor or continue to use buggy Microsoft Office products or whatever else they're using. They know it is essential to their sales and so they're probably working on it as fast as they ever will.
3.)I don't like Microsoft Office or whatever I'm using, but I need tables support... so what do I use?
Answer:That depends on how badly you need tables. I see people on this forum taking 3 different roads away from this topic. One choice is to use Atlantis and only Atlantis and just avoid tables. A second option is to use Atlantis for things that don't require table use and to use another word processor for tables. I feel this is the most popular choice. A third choice people have taken is to purchase and use Microsoft Word or download Open Office and use nothing but that word processor (while complaining about how they wish they could leave it). All of these are viable options. A final option that could be grouped in with the previous one (if I made it more general) is the one I have chosen. I've found another word processor that does nearly everything I've needed in Microsoft Word Document editing, as well as anything else I've wanted from Atlantis, and it is called TextMaker. It is popular in Germany since it is actually cheaper than Atlantis for students to purchase for Windows or Linux. It is also available on a large variety of platforms, including pocket PC. Should you use Textmaker? That probably depends on if you like it. I find that I like Atlantis a whole lot more than TextMaker, but that I will not be able to tolerate MS Word or open Office and can not afford to go without features Atlantis is lacking, so I am forced to use TextMaker, as I see it as the perfect match for me at this current time. I eagerly look forward to the day when Atlantis gets table support and I am sure everyone who is related to the development of Atlantis is striving for that day to come.
So, until we get tables, it makes sense to be kind to people who ask for them nicely, because those people are just forum incompetants like myself, who were unable to find the numerous previous threads (some of them named poorly) and realize this is a moot point. I ask that everyone excersize common sense before annoying the Atlantis admins into banning accounts and hating their customers, as I'm sure is a serious risk if people keep being obnoxious and making accusations. If you need something in the meantime and Atlantis doesn't meet your needs, do as you have no choice but to do and please investigate MS Office, Open Office, TextMaker by Softmaker, MS Wordpad, or anything else you feel might serve your needs in the meantime.
On a note to anyone who is angry about the constant annoying begging for tables: Thanks to everyone for caring enough to suggest changes at all. I know that every time I ever suggested a feature it was because I was showing support by caring if this software even had that feature.
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jayno
Joined: 25 May 2007 Posts: 4 Location: uk
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:51 am Post subject:
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| What is the latest position on this issue? I was all set to purchase until I realised Atlantis didn't have this function, which for me is an essential feature.
Jayno
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Stirlitz
Joined: 24 Mar 2003 Posts: 27 Location: Ukraine
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject:
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| I may be well banned for this post but I will dare to go on. I have been requesting tables for years until I was warned by the site admin. Anyone can find a lot of posts by searching with the keyword 'table' so I will not post all the links here, something I was warned against, but they still exist. | admin wrote: | | Maxqnz, you act as we owe you something. There is no point to mention "failed promises" because we promised you nothing. We NEVER gave you any timetable. NEVER. So you have absolutely no point in accusing us of dishonesty. If you want to blame someone for their lack of honesty and courage, please find another place to do this. |
It does not help to be so aggressive toward your users and customers, both actual and would-be ones. Actually, maxqnz has a valid point. We (users) have been waiting for tables for SIX YEARS. Had we been told that we could not count on them within a decade, things might have been different for many. We are not in court so it makes no sense to find fault with words and quote their definition, but common sense says that you failed us users and gave us wrong expectations. Don’t be so defensive — again, no one is going to sue you, so no need to fight, especially when you are not right, even if there is nothing we can actually claim.
However, if it comes to promises, here is a quote from this thread http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32 dated by March 2001
| admin wrote: | | Support for tables is scheduled for the next major release of Atlantis. | Does this mean that there has been no major release of Atlantis since 2001? Or is there the word 'possibly' missing?
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Robert
Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 1073
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: Tables
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| | Stirlitz wrote: | | Does this mean that there has been no major release of Atlantis since 2001? Or is there the word 'possibly' missing? |
As is the case with most software, major releases start with different first digit:
Version 1.x
Version 2.x
Version 3.x
And so on...
The current version of Atlantis is 1.6.1.6
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Eduardo
Joined: 01 Feb 2004 Posts: 64
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject:
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| Atlantis is well worth the wait for tables. Please be patient, folks. I'm sure they are working on it. They already said it.
E.
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Brian49
Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 8
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:12 am Post subject:
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| | The inability of Atlantis to handle tables is certainly disappointing. I work all the time with documents containing tables, which means that if I use Atlantis to word-process the text, I have to switch to a different program to deal with the tables.
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pja
Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Batehaven, Australia
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:45 am Post subject:
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| | admin wrote: | | Suggesting the same feature again and again makes no sense. Such redundant postings are helping nobody. So please avoid requesting features when you are sure that they have been already requested... |
That's fine! I purchased the product as is and am happy with it (even though I didn't check for the support of tables (probably took it as a given)). However I am editing some notes that were sent to me and thought that bit ought to be a table. Couldn't find anything in the Atlantis Help so came here and found this thread. Ok! I can't use a table.
However, my question is how does Atlantis treat either an RTF or DOC file that someone sends me that does have tables? Does it just ignore the content? Does it keep the table content but put it into tabbed columns? What happens? Loosing the content would be a serious problem!
Any help would be much appreciated.
Regards,
Peter _________________ There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things -- Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince, ch. 6
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admin
Joined: 05 Jun 2002 Posts: 1836
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:21 am Post subject:
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| | The table content is kept when you open RTFs or DOCs in Atlantis. Yes, the present version of Atlantis Word Processor puts the table content into tabbed columns.
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pja
Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Batehaven, Australia
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject:
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| | admin wrote: | | The table content is kept when you open RTFs or DOCs in Atlantis. Yes, the present version of Atlantis Word Processor puts the table content into tabbed columns. |
Thanks 'admin' that's fine, I can cope with that.
Regards,
Peter  _________________ There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things -- Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince, ch. 6
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Stirlitz
Joined: 24 Mar 2003 Posts: 27 Location: Ukraine
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject:
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| | Eduardo wrote: | Atlantis is well worth the wait for tables. Please be patient, folks. I'm sure they are working on it. They already said it.
E. | Me I am perfectly patient :)
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bluegecko
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 5
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject:
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| | I gave up on tables in Atlantis two years ago, and am now happily committed to OpenOffice. It's fine to add new features to Atlantis, but the continued lack of tables is just bizarre. And in my case at least, lost my interest and my money.
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polop
Joined: 21 Mar 2009 Posts: 8
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| Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:45 am Post subject:
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| (Sorry for my English.)
I am not displeased with the lack of tables in Atlantis, but on the other hand I am surprised Atlantis could not read it, ie display it. Indeed wordpad can even if it can't create it.
there is the same problem for OLE objects.
Atlantis does not read it while wordpad does.
I am not criticizing the fact that it is not possible to create tables but that Atlantis can't read and display it.
Otherwise Atlantis is perfect because it is more convenient, fast and compact than fat Word
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Allang415
Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 1
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: Atlantis - 5 Star Word Processor
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| I have been using Atlantis for several years. I love it and have used it to produce hundreds of documents.
My current employer requires me to use a table (only one document) for productivity logs. I use Word 97 for just this one task and do look forward to the time when Atlantis matures to the point of handling this for me.
Atlantis beats Word 97 and 2007 hands down for ease of use, function, and speed.
Please do not create a "ribbon" for Atlantis. I just cannot get my mind around why such a thing became necessary.
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