Is there any way to prevent Atlantis from moving paragraphs down when just VIEWING header/footer?
I have a 496 page novel that when I go to view the header/footer (to make the font size smaller), it moves paragraphs down which ends up changing the page count to 511 pages.
Why is this happening?
VIEWing header/footer changes the page count
Headers and Footers have height and margins. If you display them, they take up space, the page contents are squeezed and reflowed, and the page count is modified accordingly. Of course, this is most noticeable in documents with many pages.
If you want to modify the font and paragraph properties associated with headers and footers, the easiest way to go about this is to modify the corresponding properties of the associated styles, i.e. the Font and Paragraph properties of the “Header” and “Footer” styles.
If you want to reduce the space taken up by headers and footers, you could reduce the header and footer margins, and also the page top and bottom margins.
HTH.
If you want to modify the font and paragraph properties associated with headers and footers, the easiest way to go about this is to modify the corresponding properties of the associated styles, i.e. the Font and Paragraph properties of the “Header” and “Footer” styles.
If you want to reduce the space taken up by headers and footers, you could reduce the header and footer margins, and also the page top and bottom margins.
HTH.
Unfortunately, I didn't use a style when I set the header (There's no footer)
Even if I did, is it possible to use a different font between the page # and even header and page # and odd header? ...when they are on the same line? It didn't seem to work on my 1st go at it.
Is the only way to make that work with different styles is to move the page # to the bottom?
I am hoping to avoid re-typesetting the pages, but it looks like I'm going to have to look at each page again if I want to modify the header/footer.
I guess I never noticed this behavior before, I was too much in the thick of modifying other pages...but now that I am on the verge of publishing it...
Thanks.
Even if I did, is it possible to use a different font between the page # and even header and page # and odd header? ...when they are on the same line? It didn't seem to work on my 1st go at it.
Is the only way to make that work with different styles is to move the page # to the bottom?
I am hoping to avoid re-typesetting the pages, but it looks like I'm going to have to look at each page again if I want to modify the header/footer.
I guess I never noticed this behavior before, I was too much in the thick of modifying other pages...but now that I am on the verge of publishing it...
Thanks.
When you click “View | Header & Footer” in Atlantis, a Header style and a Footer style are automatically created for the current document if they don’t already exist.
The Header text and the associated page # can perfectly use a different font face and size. To achieve this, don’t modify the Header style. The Header style should only be concerned with the Header text in your case. But you need to select the page # field manually in the first page header, and simply apply any desirable font face and size to it.
I have created a sample document where the Header text is formatted with Verdana 14pts, and the page # with Comic Sans MS 12pts (red-colored, bold and underlined). Please see attached document.
HTH.
The Header text and the associated page # can perfectly use a different font face and size. To achieve this, don’t modify the Header style. The Header style should only be concerned with the Header text in your case. But you need to select the page # field manually in the first page header, and simply apply any desirable font face and size to it.
I have created a sample document where the Header text is formatted with Verdana 14pts, and the page # with Comic Sans MS 12pts (red-colored, bold and underlined). Please see attached document.
HTH.
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Thanks.
But here's the issue...I don't want to VIEW the header/footer in the future!
I don't want this "adding page" problem to come up again, if for whatever reason I need to modify the header.
Right now, there is a different font for the header and page #, because I manually did that months ago. The style is NORMAL for the header, so in order to change it, I will have to view it and apply the style, rather than just changing the style. Ok, that's a bad on my part.
So, maybe my question should be rephrased, is there a way to change the font/size of the page # using a STYLE? Or can this only be done manually by VIEWing the header/footer?
Also, I'm still confused as to why just viewing the header results in pushing everything down, I look at my pages and there is a space between the top text and the header. Isn't that sufficient? Is there no way to avoid this?
But here's the issue...I don't want to VIEW the header/footer in the future!
I don't want this "adding page" problem to come up again, if for whatever reason I need to modify the header.
Right now, there is a different font for the header and page #, because I manually did that months ago. The style is NORMAL for the header, so in order to change it, I will have to view it and apply the style, rather than just changing the style. Ok, that's a bad on my part.
So, maybe my question should be rephrased, is there a way to change the font/size of the page # using a STYLE? Or can this only be done manually by VIEWing the header/footer?
Also, I'm still confused as to why just viewing the header results in pushing everything down, I look at my pages and there is a space between the top text and the header. Isn't that sufficient? Is there no way to avoid this?
Atlantis does not support character styles, only paragraph styles. So if you want to use styles to control whatever is in the Header & Footer areas, you need to use two different paragraphs, each with its dedicated style: one for the Header text, the other for the page #. In other words, if you have the Header text and the page # within the same paragraph, and you want to have different font formatting for the page #, it cannot be done through style. You need to apply the font change manually from within the Header. This means “viewing” the Header and Footer areas.
Now if the space between the top text and the header is too big, you can reduce it. The easiest way might be to use the vertical ruler and the mouse. If you place the mouse pointer above the line materializing the Header top margin, your mouse cursor will change into a double arrow. Keep it that way and click. If you then move your mouse up or down, you will increase or decrease the Header top margin. You can proceed in the same manner for the Header bottom margin, and for the Footer own margins. Please see attached pictures.
The paragraphs within the Header and/or Footer areas have Paragraph properties (through the associated style, or through manual formatting). You can reduce the Spacing Before and After values of these paragraphs. They will take up less vertical space.
By the way, why is it so important to have 496 pages instead of 511? Are you limited to 496 pages?
Now if the space between the top text and the header is too big, you can reduce it. The easiest way might be to use the vertical ruler and the mouse. If you place the mouse pointer above the line materializing the Header top margin, your mouse cursor will change into a double arrow. Keep it that way and click. If you then move your mouse up or down, you will increase or decrease the Header top margin. You can proceed in the same manner for the Header bottom margin, and for the Footer own margins. Please see attached pictures.
The paragraphs within the Header and/or Footer areas have Paragraph properties (through the associated style, or through manual formatting). You can reduce the Spacing Before and After values of these paragraphs. They will take up less vertical space.
By the way, why is it so important to have 496 pages instead of 511? Are you limited to 496 pages?
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Never knew about that side arrow margin...handy visual feature.
I've just always adjusted margins from the PAGE SETTINGS dialog.
Thanks for the explanation.
OK, I understand the limitation, and will just live with it. I will only have to fix this once, so I will bite the bullet.
I will assign the style to even/odd (Then I can always change the font in the future without viewing), and manually edit the page # font down. Then re-adjust the paragraph spacing that got pushed down.
The difference between 496 and 511 is printing costs and profit margin. Passing 500 pages is a significant threshold.
Thanks for the quick replies.
I've just always adjusted margins from the PAGE SETTINGS dialog.
Thanks for the explanation.
OK, I understand the limitation, and will just live with it. I will only have to fix this once, so I will bite the bullet.
I will assign the style to even/odd (Then I can always change the font in the future without viewing), and manually edit the page # font down. Then re-adjust the paragraph spacing that got pushed down.
The difference between 496 and 511 is printing costs and profit margin. Passing 500 pages is a significant threshold.
Thanks for the quick replies.
Maybe my solution will help others...
I was mucking around with assigning the style to the header, and things just seemed to get more difficult...so I'm ok, with just manually applying the font size (Modified style - normal)..because..
I think I found a solution. I just increased the top margin to 0.85 (from 0.77) and I can view the header/footer any time and it won't change the # of pages.
Then I changed my line spacing to 1.16 (from 1.19). It's an Adobe Garamond Pro 10.5.
The page count went down from 511 to 497.
If I make it 1.17, boom, it goes up to 513.
Part of this effort is because for Ingram Spark I need minimum margins from header/footer TEXT TO EDGE of 0.5". I had set my text to edge at 0.42" for the top, which looks fine with Createspace proof copy I have.
I was thinking 1.19 might have been a little too spacious anyway....
I still need to go through every page, but this way, I stay under 500 pages, and I won't have (2) different manuscript files for Createspace and IngramSpark.
A quick scan through all the pages, and there are a couple of 1 line pages, so I can get back down to 496 with a little bit of hacking...
I don't want to go beyond 500 pages, because then I have to re-work my cover slightly...to adjust for a thicker spine. No, it isn't a lot of work, but just another thing I wish to avoid, because the cover is perfect.
I was mucking around with assigning the style to the header, and things just seemed to get more difficult...so I'm ok, with just manually applying the font size (Modified style - normal)..because..
I think I found a solution. I just increased the top margin to 0.85 (from 0.77) and I can view the header/footer any time and it won't change the # of pages.
Then I changed my line spacing to 1.16 (from 1.19). It's an Adobe Garamond Pro 10.5.
The page count went down from 511 to 497.
If I make it 1.17, boom, it goes up to 513.
Part of this effort is because for Ingram Spark I need minimum margins from header/footer TEXT TO EDGE of 0.5". I had set my text to edge at 0.42" for the top, which looks fine with Createspace proof copy I have.
I was thinking 1.19 might have been a little too spacious anyway....
I still need to go through every page, but this way, I stay under 500 pages, and I won't have (2) different manuscript files for Createspace and IngramSpark.
A quick scan through all the pages, and there are a couple of 1 line pages, so I can get back down to 496 with a little bit of hacking...
I don't want to go beyond 500 pages, because then I have to re-work my cover slightly...to adjust for a thicker spine. No, it isn't a lot of work, but just another thing I wish to avoid, because the cover is perfect.