Different Headers - alternating pages different

[wcpeace]

https://www.createspace.com/en/community/docs/DOC-2241



Hello again

I have a formatting question. Right now in my header I just have page numbers -- flush right. I would like to have the header similar to the image above.

So I need alternating CENTERED text between left and right pages, and also alternating flush left / flush right for the page number.


How do I do this in Atlantis? I can't quite seem to figure it out.

[wcpeace]

Ok, I figured out the ODD/EVEN headers feature in File - Page Settings...now I just need to figure out how to get centered and flush text together...on the same line

[wcpeace]

Ok...well...I just used flush left and used the spacebar. SO, I guess mission accomplished?

I was thinking there might be a way to have layered (hidden?) headings - with one header display centered text and another one just the flush page #. Is that possible?

I'm reading the online help about hidden headers and if it is possible - I haven't figured it out.

[Robert]

To get centered and flush text together on the same line, you need to insert the page number with left or right alignment, and use a centered tab stop for the chapter heading (“Style Reference” field).
Please, have a look at the attached document. Does it reflect what you are looking for?
Note that heading and page numbering have been omitted on page 1 of each new chapter (section). This is by design. Each section has a different first-page header. It seemed preferable not to have a repeat of the chapter heading on the first page.
Also note that a heading is not a header… And vice versa…
HTH.
Cheers,
Robert

[wcpeace]

Hi Robert,

Yes, this is what I'm looking for. I see I can edit the "Childhood" Heading field, but right now my title page is contained in a separate RTF file.

When I uploaded to Lulu I just ordered the files the way I wanted them to be in the book...that way I didn't have to deal with different header/footer issues.

I did this before I realized you could make separate "Sections"...so maybe I need to add them back into the document?

So I would "Create a new style" of TITLE and AUTHOR - that are on the title page....then I could populate the headers with that?

[Robert]

Note that it is impossible to give really adequate directions without seeing the actual document(s).
This said, a “Style Reference” field can refer back to any paragraph located in the current document and associated with a style. The style could be “Title” or “Author” indeed, but the paragraph associated with that style would have to be located in the same document. In other words, your “title page” needs to be in the same document. You could import it through copy/paste. If this makes a mess of the formatting in the rest of the document, undo the pasting, and try to paste the title page as pure text (“Ctrl+Alt+Insert”). Then, reformat it as desired.
Also when you select the title page for the copy operation, try to avoid selecting the last paragraph end mark. It might help.
Cheers,
Robert

[wcpeace]

Hi Robert,

Back again. Been learning a lot more about Atlantis, book formatting, etc...

So since the last correspondence, I have put all files into a single document, properly sectioned each chapter, set it up so headers do not appear on 1st pages of new chapters in addition to learning about typography / choosing a better font for printed books anyway (Palatino), getting rid of widow pages, have an almost completed cover, etc......

If I'm feeling really bold, I may take some instructions you posted earlier and delete all tabs and use the 1st line indent control instead...which I have for some small "more indented" parts - works beautifully.

Anyway...one issue configuring the header for the title on the right page.
I have a CENTERED TAB STOP and a FLUSH RIGHT page number, and I think it looks ok, but why did I need to use 3 tabs as shown in the image attached?

[Robert]

Hi,
Note that you can have different 1st line indent values if you use dedicated styles.
You need to define a centered tab stop for the title, and a right-aligned tab stop for the page number. The right-aligned tab stop must be positioned with same value as that of the right indent.
HTH.
Cheers,
Robert

[rstroud]

WC ...

You should not have three tabs. You are right. I do not know what happened. Maybe you had some tabs and "spacebar spaces" left over in the header before you applied the "header style" to the header. I cringed when you said that you had used the spacebar, because I have heard that kind of statement many times from people who did not know any better. That was all right in the typewriter era (I do not know if you are that old, but I am), when five hits on the spacebar was the same as a tab. (The tab could be set for any number of spaces, but five was probably the most common setting.)

Anyway, I am knowledgeable about styles, headers, type, and layout. I have developed more templates than I could even begin to count up.

You should never use the spacebar to try to format things. Similarly, you really should not use the tab to indent the first line of a paragraph. Truly, never. It is better to use styles for that kind of formatting.

Good luck!

Roland

[Robert]

Hi,
The three tabs are there because there is no right-aligned tab stop position to the right of the centered tab stop. If it had been set at 6”5, the above header would look like this:



Note that Atlantis creates such dual tab stops in the headers whenever you click “View | Header & Footer” in a document created from the default template. This is because the headers are automatically associated with the “Header” style, and that style naturally includes a centered and a right-aligned tab stop in its native properties.
HTH.
Cheers,
Robert

[wcpeace]

Great explanation. I fixed the problem with your help. The last issue I had was that I was RIGHT ALIGNING the page number, I set the tab stops up, then I LEFT aligned the page number, then retabbed the entire header. It now looks as per your illustration.

I don't have an acknowledgements page yet, not sure if I will add one, but if I do, I'm mentioning the Atlantis Word Processor!